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With all the hotheaded posts I read after this election, I just wanted to warn felow Kossacks of what heppened to another hotheaded dem blogger.

No, it wasn't me. I knew better. Nevertheless, it's a true story and you guys deserve to be warned.

Anti-Bush rant gone bad brings FBI to your doorstep. Worse, it can hurt kos too. So ZIP IT

You think I'm kidding ? I kid you not

This happened BEFORE Bush II - The attack of the fundie clones:

Secret service visits Blogger - Anti-Bush rant gone bad

Never EVER make a comment online that could in any way be misconstrued as a threat against any high-ranking official (or anyone for that matter)

It always ends up in headaches, regardless wether you meant it or not

anniesj: a word to the wise [Not me but story is TRUE - law]

A couple of weeks ago, following the last presidential debate, I said some rather inflammatory things about George W. Bush in a public post in my LJ, done in a satirical style...

I was wrong.

At 9:45 last night, the Secret Service showed up on my mother's front door

A couple of weeks ago, following the last presidential debate, I said some rather inflammatory things about George W. Bush in a public post in my LJ, done in a satirical style. We laughed, we ranted, we all said some things. I thought it was a fairly harmless (and rather obvious) attempt at humor in the face of annoyance, and while a couple of people were offended, as is typical behavior from me, I saw something shiny and forgot about it, thinking that the whole thing was over and done and nothing else would come of what I said.

I was wrong.

At 9:45 last night, the Secret Service showed up on my mother's front door to talk to me about what I said about the President, as what I said could apparently be misconstrued as a threat to his life.

If the Secret Service wants an Interview: You have the Right to have an Attorney present. Use it. This is not just a technicality. While many (most?) Agents will be acting in good faith, even they will have cultural biases which may cause them to misconstrue your words, and report what they thought they heard In Sept. 1996 I casually mentioned, as a guest on Wisconsin Public Radio, my intention to leaflet at a Gore appearance. Somehow this was reported to the SS as a plan to stage a "protest. Next day I got a call from a Madison Police Dept. officer informing me that the Secret Service wanted to "interview me." I agreed, but insisted that this occur in a public place, suggesting a coffee shop near the State Capitol. I tipped off a couple sympathetic reporters, who dressed out of character and sat at the next table. I brought my Attorney, and an openly displayed taperecorder. At first the Secret Service would not proceed with my tape running. when I explained my reluctance to proceed without a record, and told them that without it the interview was off, they relented. I explained that I planned only to leaflet, the local cop agreed that this was indeed my right, and offered what proved to be an ideal spot outside the building where the speech was to occur. by ben masel

Originally posted to lawnorder on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 09:00 AM PST.

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  •  I thought about poosting something about this (none)
    WE are all so angry right now and full of hatred of this evil empire that it is very easy for one of us to cross the line. My solution is pretty much to put yourself in a position whewre you don't see his face too much or hear his voice at all, i've found that helpful, all your news at this point can come from this site, if something major in the world happens you won't be out of the loop. I've had extremely angry thoughts especially after I recieved the flyer putting Kerry's face next to the twin towers with the plane going through it, but I had the good scense not too post them. The secret service has a job to do and thier going to do it with good reason, life goes on we'll live to fight anpother day but let's remember not to take words too far.

    this is your mission: TERMINATE the Bush presidency

    by nevadadem on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 09:48:17 AM PST

    •  Not to mention that Bushies are mean, vindictive (none)

      I saw them all over the boards this last two days baiting liberals to say something like a threat, then report them to the FBI.

      Watch for a guy named liberalfilth, he's doing that. In 2-3 posts he already called someone here a stalker

      I saw it done last year on the Yahoo boards. A famous hotheaded guy fell for it and one stopped just in time.

      The freeper tipped his hand and said "Are you saying you are going to come to my house and harm me ?".

      At that point all of us who knew of his bait & snitch tactics posted a barrage of SHUT UP Harold, don't fall for his bait!!! He reported harold to yahoo but couldn't make it stick since Harold never actually threatened him.

      Watch out!

      They relish making us get in trouble

      You want the Truth ? You can't handle the Truth ! ~~~~ See my blog here~~~~

      by lawnorder on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 10:58:17 AM PST

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    •  The funny thing is... (none)
      They could probably make the case that your tag line... "TERMINATE the..." is a threat...

      Totally redonculous, but ya never know these days...

      Jaded Reality... "freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose"

      by spiderleaf on Wed Nov 10, 2004 at 07:56:08 AM PST

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  •  Don't know what to say (none)
    I went over there to read it from your link and was glad to see the support he had.

    I was glad he was treated well by the agents but he's right that he doesn't know the long term implications...and from a casual remark made with disrespect ( which is shared) but no threat, real or implied.

    A good warning.
    One thought when he said he was told he was turned in from someone at the add betrayal to it...I wondered if it might be something else. That is, I could go there and read without being registered, so anyone could. It might not be anyone he trusts but someone who popped we pop in and read freepers. I hope that was it, though absurd that it happened at all.

    But either way we need to take some care in our venting. Thanks for sharing this. Lord, I wish him well. I wish us all well.

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